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Will increase in prostitution increase women trafficking?

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This is my first answer. If you think it’s low quality please comment so I can fix it okay. I know I need citation. I will ask around in sceptic and get my citation.

Yes but nowhere like the way opponents of prostitution and women trafficking want us to believe.

Say government want to legalize commercialization of smart phones. Will import of smartphones increase? Yes. So what?

Will those whose job are being replaced by the oversea workers complain about it? Yes. Will they complain that their job is lost or will they complain that the foreign workers are underpaid? Both. In fact, it’s not politically correct to bitch about your own selfish interest. It’s far more politically correct to bitch that you actually care about others. So people tend to complain on something far difference than their real issue.

About many americans complain that job moved to China is already obivious. Just look at here. http://www.epi.org/publication/bp188/. In fact if I ask “Are there many american that complain about jobs moving to china?” I bet I’ll get downvote. Very well, I’ll ask anyway.

To be frank, all assumption I used is that humans max out profit and basic economic principle. Yes I am a libertarian. Yes I am sceptical on any laws against consensual acts.

Say government want to legalize commercialization of sex. Will import of sex worker increase. Most likely yes. That’s the whole point of criminalizing, namely to reduce demand. It’s basic economy. Criminalization is like taxing. It imposes penalty against a certain service. When government tax something government reduce both production and consumption. Taxing cigarette, for example, will reduce cigarette consumption. Taxing cars will reduce production of car. That’s basic economy 101.

Will those women who are being replaced by cheaper sex workers complain about it? Yes. In economic term, prostitute is a substitute service/product for wife/girl friend. Yap they directly compete like Xbox vs playstation. I know I need citation.

Will they complain that they can’t compete with cheaper sex workers or will they complain that somehow the trafficked women are oppressed? The latter. In fact, it’s politically incorrect and embarrassing to bitch about not being able to attract a mate. It’s far more politically correct to bitch that they actually care about those trafficked women.

Some background.

The reason why prostitution is prohibited is most likely not there to protect women that want to be prostitute. Think about it. Humans are selfish (do I need to cite for this?). How can we protect anyone from their own consent. C’mon. We’re sceptic here.

A much more plausible reason is to protect men. If prostitution is legal, women’s market price will go up, most males can’t afford it. In other word prostitution is prohibited to prevent competition.

Women trafficking are often consensual. Even those opposing it admitting it

Here just look at the Every year mainly women and children are frequently trafficked. People do not report cases of trafficking. Illiteracy rate is very high and trafficking is often consensual; even parents or husbands sell off their children/wives. We need them to make a complaint before we can take action, but the victims do not.

http://www.childreach.org.uk/our-work/bangladesh

Red queen from Matt Ridley says that women prefer the rich. Isn’t it natural that women from poorer countries want to immigrate here to find a mate?

In fact, look at wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafficking_in_women

(b) The consent of a victim of trafficking in persons to the intended exploitation set forth in subparagraph (a) of this article shall be irrelevant where any of the means set forth in subparagraph (a) have been used;

The law specifically prohibit women trafficking DESPITE consent. That’s because the lawmakers knew that most of those women consent and that trafficking MAYBE consensual. Isn’t that strange how they said that women consent is irrelevant?

I mean if people care about me if people claim about wanting to help me the first thing that’s relevant is my consent right? They said women’s consent is irrelevant. Do you think they care about women’s interest?

Okay, I need more sources to decide how many women trafficked actually consent.

I know 5 of the most beautiful girls in my high school are in western world. No they are not trafficked, but desire to move and “find rich white guys” is not that far fetch. Seriously guys. I have a niece that explicitly told me he only wanted to date white guys.

We know many women in poor countries MAY (with very high probability actually) want: 1. Richer males (richer whites) 2. Money (Men and women want money, everybody want money).

To say this can’t be consensual is just insane.

Humans max out their own interest. I am a businessman, I hired employees, I was screwed by fraudster, if there is any thing I know how to predict what people would do is their selfish interest. Mutually consensual means mutually beneficial. Obviously.

Prostitution is prohibited for the same reason polygamy is prohibited. To protect men that can’t pay rather than women. You can read Matt Ridley’s book, the red queen, for more info on this. You can read more discussion here http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/krdd8/why_is_polygamy_illegal/ You can also read Get rich bang bitch http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/38264

If you want source, just look at here Far from being laws to protect women, anti polygamy statutes may really do more to protect (less desirable) men” – Matt Ridley – The Red Queen .

Matt ridley is a prominent evolutionary psychologist. It’s already mainstream science.

Also economic theory is based on the assumption that humans’ max out their profit. To see that a lot of women protest against women trafficking, despite consent from the trafficked women because they care about the trafficked women is preposterous. Again, extra ordinary claim require evidences. If you want to show me that humans actually care about others so much in this case, you need to show me.

A lot of male admit that they can’t compete with more desirable male and argue that it’s the reason why we should keep polygamy illegal. Just look at here http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/krdd8/why_is_polygamy_illegal/. Yea it’s sugar coated with ideas that polygamy is not compatible with democracy yada yada yada… But you’ll see the same.

It’s natural to expect that prohibition of prostitution is based on the same thing.

What about women trafficking? It’s the same thing. Women trafficking is there to protect, oh well, women. However, it’s not there to protect trafficked women. Women trafficking is there to protect women in rich countries from having to compete with cheaper and prettier women from poorer countries.

In other word, even if all trafficked women are happy having sex with richer guys, I would bet that many women would still oppose this so called women trafficking. They have enough huge motive to prohibit trafficking irrelevant of consent.

It’s the same reason I know why MANY males have huge motive to prohibit prostitution and polygamy irrelevant of consent. It’s the same reason why racist anti immigration want to prohibit immigration irrelevant of the consent of the immigrants.

There are true motives, there are justification. The latter can be anything. The motives most easily explained away from selfishness is obviously the most correct. Humans, after all are very selfish.

The majority of so called trafficking is VERY consensual. I mean it’s very obvious. One can more easily argue that marriage is less consensual than trafficking and prostitution.

After all, why would anyone allow government to be the pimp of their sexual relationship with no force whatsoever. Why would any rich male want to bet half his assets for a woman? And why would most women choose to be the only one for poorer males than sharing a richer males?

Imagine if all kind of marriage and all kind of commercialized sexual relationship is legal. Would anyone still get married? How much?

Many culture have restriction against sex outside marriage. Society actually prohibit prostitution and yet women do it anyway. That’s how much many women want to be prostitute.

Does legalizing prostitution increase women trafficking? Again, this is another vague language that’s hard to answer. Imagine if prostitution is legal. Imagine if women trafficking include consensual women trafficking. The legal definition actually DOES include consensual women trafficking. I do not think anyone can use “But the women agree” argument to defense against women trafficking.

Of course it does. When things are legal, then more people would want to do it.

So yes more will want to do it. However, it’s no where as what those anti freedom people want us to believe.

It’s like asking if government stop tariff against import goods will there be more import goods? If government make iPhone legal, will there be more iPhone? Yes. It’s the way it should be.

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Does legalizing prostitution lead to an increase in human trafficking?

Yes but nowhere like the way opponents of prostitution and women trafficking want us to believe.

Some background.

Why? The reason why prostitution is prohibited is not there to protect women. Think about it. If prostitution is legal, what would stop Bill Gates from hiring a harem?

Prostitution is prohibited for the same reason polygamy is prohibited. To protect men that can’t pay rather than women. You can read Matt Ridley’s book for more info on this. You can read more discussion here http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/krdd8/why_is_polygamy_illegal/ You can also read Get rich bang bitch http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/38264

A lot of male admit that they can’t compete with more desirable male and argue that it’s the reason why we should keep polygamy illegal. Prostitution is the same thing.

Criminalization of prostitution cause huge chilling effect on so many other consensual acts. Men, cannot effectively support his girl friend outside marriage due to anti prostitution law. Well, some may argue that you can. You can’t pay her cash but you can pay her rent, etc. But who knows how the law goes?

What about women trafficking? It’s the same thing. Women trafficking is there to protect, oh well, women. However, it’s not there to protect trafficked women. Women trafficking is there to protect women in rich countries from having to compete with cheaper and prettier women from poorer countries.

In other word, even if all trafficked women are happy having sex with richer guys, I would bet that many women would still oppose this so called women trafficking. They have enough huge motive to prohibit trafficking irrelevant of consent. It’s the same reason I know why MANY males have huge motive to prohibit prostitution and polygamy irrelevant of consent. It’s the same reason why I believe robbers have huge motive to well grab your money, irrelevant of whether God or you like it or not.

There are true motives, there are justification. The latter can be anything. The motives most easily explained away from selfishness is obviously the most correct. Humans, after all are very selfish.

The majority of so called trafficking is VERY consensual. I mean it’s very obvious. One can more easily argue that marriage is less consensual than trafficking and prostitution.

After all, why would anyone allow government to be the pimp of their sexual relationship with no force whatsoever. Why would any rich male want to bet half his assets for a woman? And why would most women choose to be the only one for poorer males than sharing a richer males?

Imagine if all kind of marriage and all kind of commercialized sexual relationship is legal. Would anyone still get married? How much?

Many culture have restriction against sex outside marriage. Society actually prohibit prostitution and yet women do it anyway. That’s how much many women want to be prostitute.

In Afganistan women can’t even work outside marriage. If you don’t count marriage in Afganistan as forced marriage -> forced sex -> rape, I don’t know what is.

If a robber says you can’t leave until you pay, we will all agree that the paying is not consensual. In most cultures, government effectively say you can’t have sex outside marriage. Even in US, you can’t easily support your mate outside marriage.

Does legalizing prostitution increase women trafficking? Again, this is another vague language that’s hard to answer. Imagine if prostitution is legal. Imagine if women trafficking include consensual women trafficking. Of course it does. When things are legal, then more people would want to do it. When it’s illegal, women have to pay a lot for pimps. When things are legal they get more. All the money that used to go to the pimp will go to them.

So yes more will want to do it. However, it’s no where as what those anti freedom people want us to believe.

It’s like asking if government stop tariff against import goods will there be more import goods? If government make iPhone legal, will there be more iPhone? Yes. It’s the way it should be.

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Humans Will Always Try to OutGun, OutWit, and OutBid Each Other

Key to peace and prosperity is then that the last one is more lucrative than the other 2.

The greatest threat to humanity is then prohibition of outbidding and trade restrictions. Such is the case of prohibition of most consensual acts, including prostitution.

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Why Consensual Acts are Prohibited

FDA prohibits unapproved drug

1. It’s bad drug. We agree.
2. They sucks but still fit the taste of some. Still let the market decide.
3. It’s there just to get rid competition from some possibly better and safer drugs. I strongly disagree.

Government prohibit buying cars from China
1. Chinese cars sucks. We agree.
2. They sucks but still fit the taste of some. Still let the market decide.
3. It’s there just to get rid competition from some possibly better and cheaper car offers. I strongly disagree.

Government prohibit asian foods citing health concern
1. Asian food sucks. We agree
2. It sucks but could fit the taste of some. So let the market decide.
3. It’s just pressure to get rid competition from some possibly better and tastier food. I strongly disagree.

Government prohibit prostitution, polygamy and contract marriage.
1. Prostitution sucks. We agree
2. Prostitution sucks but maybe good for some. Still let the market decice.
3. It’s just pressure to get rid competition from some possibly fairer and preferable contract. I strongly disagree.

What’s your position on all?

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Evolution Theory, Right, and Effective Right

Guys, the article is joking. That guy don’t really suggest anything. He’s just trying to show what evolution theory, which is a disprovable theory of life is all about to common folks. He’s trying to show how absurd socialized health care is.

He, like me, tries to help you understand life the way IT IS, not the way it SHOULD BE.

GDP, I agree with you about right. I was and may still be a libertarian. But you’re not on scientific realm. You’re on ideological realm. It’s 2 different things okay.

As about me, I think you just have too much knee jerk reaction. I already got 2 kids with one of the most beautiful girls in my high school. I am just sad I got only 1 beautiful girl instead of all 5. Yes there are other pretty women that says they want me too, with sufficient financial arrangement. I introduced them to someone else instead to spread the joy.

I NEVER said women has to have sex with me. If no body wants me, I would peacefully play video game till the day I die. No hard feeling. In fact, even if a woman wants me things may still not work out, and I would politely show her some other males richer than I am. No hard feeling.

What I disagree with is others’ so called “right” or power preventing rich people from consensually mating. Such is the case of prohibition of various of virtually all consensual acts, namely to get rid competitors.

Recently, in my country, a bunch terrorist demand government to prevent some porn star from coming to Indonesia. They said, like you always said, it demeans women. Well, that’s the kind of thing I disagree.

I think women have right to be a porn star and to show up in porn, irrelevant of what others feel. I also understand that women EFFECTIVELY don’t have that right. Effective right comes from power and women don’t have the guts and power to fight for their right. Why you keep deliberately misunderstanding me does puzzles me though.

And if you say money doesn’t matter and no beautiful girls are willing to have sex just for money, well…. Maybe not in US. Nah… I doubt even that. Let’s just say money is not my main selling point. Girls have been hitting over me when I was poor. I just feel I can get even more.

Right comes from productivity is in theory.
Another theory is right comes from God.

What it really means is some people believe that right SHOULD comes from productivity or from God. That’s it. That’s all. It’s just an idea. An idea that greatly affect our life. But that’s not reality. It’s not science.

I have a right over my property. Then a thief stole it. Then government didn’t bother chasing that vermin. Then what? It’s my property. My right. Then what? Then the thief is wrong? So what? Your concept of right, is just a theory.

It’s time to stop becoming too theoretical here.

A self fulfilling theory I hope. I am trying to tell you how stuff really works in reality so we can make your theory, a reality.

I am saying right as in effective right.

That one comes from the front of gun barrel or something like Lenin said.

Look the rich knows something about making money, the politician knows something about politic okay Smiley

As girls as objects. Everyone is an object. That’s the hard of objectivitism isn’t it? Everything is an object. I think an objectivist himself said that somewhere. Beautiful girls (not all girls) are sex objects, as much as Michael Jordan is a basket ball player, and as much as meat sellers are effectively meat vending machines. What is so wrong about that? Yea they have right not to be the label we put them too. Then what? Would they bother?

If people call me programming object, I don’t get mad. I am proud because that’s what I am good at. That doesn’t imply I am not a human being with right. It simply means I am a good programmer. A DAMN good one. How come people get mad when I called women sex object?

You talk about girls that do not want to be called sex objects. What about girls that want to? What about girls that want to be sex objects? Where are their right?

Where is mother Loraine? Loraine? We got a break down of communication here. As some ex beautiful girl, can you help straighten things up?

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3 Ways to Get Womyn

The first and most straight forward way is to rape. That is politically incorrect now.

The second way is to consensually persuade the woman to mate with you. The problem is the world are filled with so many other males. Many are richer, smarter, taller, and more handsome.

Well but Tom Cruise, Bill Gates, and Kobe aim for someone higher than our typical target market. Not really. How do you know they want only one? Chinese emperor got 10k chicks and he didn’t even have flat TV and flush toilet.

The market does give more absolute wealth and prosperity to virtually everyone. If there is one thing the market don’t give to those politically powerful is relative wealth and power. The thing is, that’s what gets men laid.

Another problem is that consensually attracting women are often politically incorrect too. Most societies have so many norms prohibiting so many consensual acts for reasons that will be obvious shortly.

So consensually attracting hot babes is not the only thing most males count on.

The third way is then the most common way, namely to separate target market from competitors.

If target prefer Bob, it’s wrong because it’s not love. If target pick Hasan then it’s wrong because polygamy is bad. If target pick Liu Chan, then it’s wrong because prostitution is immoral. If target pick Mr. Tanaka then it’s wrong because hentai demean women. If target pick Jean Claude then it’s wrong because inter religious marriage is bad.

The list goes on and on. Women trafficking is illegal despite consent. No sex outside marriage. No sex for cash (but chocolate and flower is okay because it can signal wealth nevertheless in a spendthrift way). No contract marriage, no polyandry, no bullshit. If the male is honest then he’s arrogant.

Each kid need daddy to spend at least 8 hours a day and 20% of his income no matter how wealthy daddy is to ensure rich dad don’t have 1000 kids. No this. No that.

The limit is just imagination. The proof is faith. It’s useless trying to argue with bigots or working too much to comply with all the norms that any competitors would come up. It just won’t work.

Finally, unless the guys is really bad, eventually the girl picks the snobbish holier than thou assholes that want to decide morality for the rest of us . Then it’s sacred and a big OK.

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Opposition of Consensual Acts often Have Hidden Motives

My point is opposition to consensual acts often have hidden motives. That hidden motives are usually to protect uncompetitive people from competition.

Maybe it’s true that ugly women also fear rape. Fine. That still doesn’t justify opposition to porn and other consensual sex. If someone rape, punish the rapist. Simple. Why they hell they have to oppose consensual acts like porn and prostitution that actually reduce rape rather than increasing it.

The fact is most women that oppose porn are ugly. It’s as if they are soooooooooo afraid of rape that they want to prohibit porn because it may cause rape. This while the pretty often become porn star. Something is missing. I am saying that’s not true. The real issue is not because the ugly are more afraid of rape. The issue is because they got hidden motives.

The same goes for anti polygamy laws. It’s there to protect poor males. Of course there are males that have so many wives he cannot afford kids. Solution: Punish males that don’t support kids and set child support payment to be constant irrelevant of daddy’s wealth. But nooo… Can’t feed them, don’t breed them. That’s not the solution people pick don’t they?

Rape is probably not on top of the “fear list” for ugly women.
How would you happen to know what any one woman, much less ALL ugly (subjective in itself) women fears?
The answer is, you don’t. You are not psychic, so you don’t know what a single other person fears, whether they are ugly or not.

EASY. This is the essence of evolutionary biology. In free market, what a person want is simple. What he chooses.

It’s not simple in non consensual act like rape. It’s also not simple when there are too many rules against consensual acts. So we need a third leg in the equation best interest=what he wants. The third equation is that both, in general, are most likely equal with gene pool survival.

According to evolution theory, people fear something if it reduces their gene pool survival. How do rape reduces women’s gene pool survival? It undermines women’s “choice” to mate with higher quality genes and her bargaining position to get resources in exchange of her sexual favor.

Say 2 women are equally pretty. One of them choose a mate and got a millionaire. The other get raped and mate with a hoodlum. That decrease her market value. So she ended up marrying someone poorer. See how rape sucks?

So the true cost is the lost of opportunity for the woman to mate with higher quality males or getting paid for the sexual service. It’s like software pirating. If people can pirate software why should they pay for it? So women also lost potential earning she could have gotten through the sexual service.

Let alone disease, etc.

Dignity is also an issue. If people hurt you and get away with it, it tells others that it’s okay to hit you. This is how the Jews got exterminated. They didn’t hit back hard enough that people start thinking that it’s okay to screw Jews. Eventually it leads to genocide. The same way unpunished rape means males can “use” the women without begging, buying chocolate, paying, caresing, bla bla bla, so why the hell should any male do all those to get her?

The prettier the woman the higher the cost, quite obviously. Pretty woman then lose more to rape than an ugly one. So I conclude that relative to prettier women, uglier women fear rape less.

Keep in mind that’s not really the point. I am not arguing that we shouldn’t punish rape against ugly women. I am arguing that all consensual sex, like porn, prostitution, and consensual women trafficking should all be legal.

Can we quantify damage? Well, to quantify damage we need market price. To know the market price, we need the market. Prostitution is illegal, so no market. But once it’s legal, you’ll see I am right.

Here is a simpler way to see it. Pretty women’s choice matter more. Males are willing to pay more to have prettier women choose him. In general. Rape take away women’s choice. So rape hurt the pretty more than the ugly.

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